UFOs aren't extraterrestrial -- They're extradimensional.
From the book How to Contact Space People by Ted Owens
Questions and Answers
QUESTIONS: CHUCK JAY
ANSWERS: TED OWENS
Q. Have the Si's been among us on the earth?
A. Yes, the Si's been among us on the earth.
Q. You say they like children... and they work with children... what kind of work are they doing?
A. If you were going to sow a crop, as a farmer, what would you take out in the fields to plant - half-grown corn cobs?
Q. I would take what I wanted to grow.
A. Yes, you would take seeds. Children are seeds. If the U.S. can survive for the next year or two, the children that have grown up by that time, and which the Si's have reached, will be important to the Si's, in their work with humans on earth. Now, I'll give you a beautiful illustration of this. Yesterday afternoon I came home from work, fell into my chair, hot and tired, took off my shoes, and the downstairs door-buzzer buzzed. I put on my shoes and went downstairs, and there was a long-distance phone call for me from New Jersey.
It was a 13-year-old boy who had heard me over a local radio program in 1965, two years ago, and he had been trying to find me ever since. That boy was brilliant, absolutely brilliant. He asked me questions that were a lot better than any questions that have been asked of me on any of the many radio and TV interview programs I have been on. This boy said he had an old box full of UFO material in his home, everything he could lay his hands on which dealt with UFOs. He said that he and his mother and father had been in their car, driving on the New Jersey Turnpike one evening when suddenly they saw a flying saucer right over them. They pulled to the side of the road, and the UFO was 50 feet directly over them. Ever since that day he has been doing nothing but thinking about and studying about UFOs. Do you see what I mean about their working with children?
Q. So they are making the children interested in them?
A. You bet they are! They are establishing a contact with them. But the problem is, they can contact the minds of children but the children cannot communicate back with the Si's. It is not a two-way proposition. That is where I come in. I have written a book, giving my exact method of communicating with the Si's. Complete. This is for the purpose of children being able to get in touch with the Si's.
Q. Do the Si's have any influence on the "prophets" of our day?
A. Prophets? Yes, a great deal of influence. Of course, you have to bear in mind that Si's monitor the thinking of our key people in high places, as well as other people in low places that we would not suspect they would be interested in - and they influence their thinking, certainly they do. They also influence the masses of people through television.
Q. The "prophets" don't know of this, do they? I mean, they don't know their thinking is being influenced.
A. That's right - they don't know it - they think their thoughts and predictions are their own; but in many cases they are simply reflecting what the Si's are putting into their minds.
Q. Then the Si's are having the "prophets" do certain work?
A. Yes. You see, the Si's are interested in the entire human race as a whole - not the black race, the white race, the yellow race, etc., as such. They aren't interested in our race problems, or our politics. They are interested only in making the surface of the world healthy and happy and productive, growing and creative. So they influence key people toward certain things, like chess pieces on a board, and these people do not realize they are being manipulated, but they are, according to the Si's wishes - to bring about results among the masses of people.
The Si's even bring about revolutions. Israel is a case in point. You see, Israel is a small, tough, virile country. The people are very virile, full of energy, full of action. The Arabs and Egyptians have become very lazy through the ages, and sloppy, and they let the land go, to a greater extent. But the Israelis take a small piece of land and through hard work make the land fertile and productive. This is what the Si's want. They want the desert to bloom, and become productive. They are interested primarily in the healthy condition of the surface of the earth, and all that lives on that surface.
Q. Is it possible that we can ever reach the Si's level of intelligence? You know, like being able to move things with our minds, and so forth.
A. Absolutely impossible. They have different powers than we. They have different laws of nature. You see, the Si's are in a different world entirely. They are in another dimension. But they have discovered how to switch from their dimension into our dimension. Thus they have access both to their world and our world, while we are limited to our world. So we could never do what the Si's can do.
Q. In other words, we are completely different, then, from the Si's.
A. Yes, completely different.
Q. Is there a wall between our dimension and their dimension? Couldn't we, some way, get into their dimension?
A. We don't know how to do this, but they do know how. Just suppose, for a moment, we were Si's. We could make ourselves invisible, then appear right out in a field, or inside Cape Kennedy, or inside a crowded city - in the earth dimension. We would see these strange creatures (humans, us), yet the strange creatures (humans, us) couldn't see us (Si's) unless we wanted them to, at which time we could make ourselves visible, or in some form we wanted to made visible. But if we remained invisible then we could observe the earth creatures at their work and at their play.
Q. You mean, then, that there could be a Si or Si's right here, right now, watching us?
A. Absolutely. Now suppose we, as Si's, switch ourselves into this other dimension, this earth dimension, to observe these earth creatures performing all sorts of actions - and we wish to experiment with these earth creatures, to get some results with them. We can do one of two things: we can go into the earth dimension, and work with the earth creatures, unbeknownst to them, or we can switch ourselves back into our own Si world, or dimension, we can cause ship wrecks and plane wrecks or submarine wrecks in the earth world, or dimension. In other words, we, as Si's while in the Si world, or dimension, can produce effects across other worlds or dimensions.
Or what would you do if a man, seemingly on dope, walked up to you and pulled out a long butcher knife and said he was going to kill you? All of these things happened to me, and I'll tell you what I did. For instance, I was with my girl-friend, Pat, one night in Durham, North Carolina, when we were both attending Duke University. We had gone downtown together, and were walking up a dark side street, when a gang of six toughs came at us. As they got closer, I could see they had knives. I recognized their leader as the man who had tried to climb through a window of Pat's home a few nights before. I had chased him down the street when Pat's mother screamed. Now they had us cornered on this small side street, and expected us to run from them. I had a small .25 automatic, and gave it to Pat and told her if any of them got past to shoot them. Then I walked right down the street at the gang toward us. I stared them all in the eyes, and they froze. I grabbed the ring-leader by his coat and told him to take his gang and get away from us. And that is just what they did. The following week the same gang of men killed a North Carolina college student, and they all went to prison.
Another time in Durham, while I was in college, I took a date to a beautiful park. We were walking along when about 15 boys in their late teens circled us with bicycles and shouted obscene language at us. I stood in the center of their circle and begged them to come fight me one at a time, as many as wanted to, or all; it didn't make any difference to me - and they froze. All of them stopped their bikes, and there was complete silence. Then suddenly they took off as fast as they could go, without saying another word. Again, in Durham, I was escorting two foreign girl students through the town one night, and three notoriously tough men came at me, and began talking obscenely to the girls. I stared at them, told them to shut up and move off, and they froze, then moved away silently. People nearby couldn't believe their eyes, because these three men were never known to have left their victims without cutting them up or beating them severely. Later, in Oklahoma, a New York gangster with a reputation as a killer got into an argument with me, and pulled out a .45 automatic, aimed it at me, and was going to shoot me. I looked into his eyes, and he froze. I just turned my back, walked away, and left him standing there, silent. Another time, in Houston, Texas, a car with four men in it pulled up to me and pointed guns at me. They ordered me to get into the car. To this day I don't know who they were, or why they wanted me; but I walked over to their car, right at the gun muzzles; looked at each of the men, and they froze. Then I silently turned and walked away.
Q. Were the Si's protecting you?
A. I guess so. Yes.
Q. Since you are part Si now?
A. Right. And this sort of thing has gone on through the years. I should have been killed about 15 times by now. Another exciting incident occurred when a blonde woman hired me to drive her down to Mexico City. She paid me a thousand dollars, told me she was running away from her cruel husband. What she didn't tell me, until we were halfway there, was that she had stolen all the money out of their joint bank account, sold their home and business, and had the divorce papers served on her husband - the very day we left for Mexico City! How she must have hated him. Anyway, I got her down to Mexico City safely, and started back to the States. At the edge of Durango I stopped for gas at a filling station. A small boy was the attendant. I went into the station office to pay the boy, when suddenly two men came to the door. One stood just outside the door, keeping watch, and the other came in, pulling a knife from his pocket. The boy was petrified, and told me these were very bad men, that he knew them. Instantly I realized the blonde had decided to buy some insurance that I wouldn't give her hiding place away to her husband, and had sent these men after me. I stared the knife-man in the eyes, and he froze. I walked to the door and stared the other man in the eyes, then walked by him, got to my car, and drove out of there as fast as I could. But just before I got to San Antonio, still in Mexico, a truck with two men in it rammed me from behind at full speed, whip lashing me violently and knocking me out. When I came to, on the ground outside my car where I'd been thrown by the impact, the truck was still parked behind my car and the men were in it. I got up, went up to them, stared them in the eyes, and they drove off without saying a word. Another time, my daughter Lornie and I were walking along a sidewalk in San Antonio, when suddenly a man crossed the street, walked toward me, pulled out a long knife, and said over and over that he was going to kill me. I put down my satchel (I was selling Bibles) and put Lornie behind me. As the man approached, I looked him in the eyes. He came up to within a few feet of me, had the knife on his right hip, professional style, with cutting edge up. I stared into his eyes. Suddenly he dropped the knife, got down on his knees, and began to pat Lornie on the head (she had edged around to see what was going on). He apologized to Lornie for threatening me, picked up his knife, and ran away.
Q. Do you think that all of these strange occurrences, these threats to you, might have been because of the evil Si's - the Oi's.
A. That might be so. I will tell you this: there was a brilliant scientist up here one night to see me. He has three doctoral degrees, including one in astro-physics. I proposed and experiment to him. I pointed my fingers at his eyes, the way I do at the sky when I am "making" a storm, and asked him if he could feel anything peculiar. You have never seen a man recoil so fast in your life! He jumped up to his feet, looked away from my pointing fingers, and turned absolutely white! My fingers pointed at him seemed to scare the living daylights out of him! It's funny, I don't know why I did that at all - the idea just occurred to me to see how it might affect his eyes, or his mind. I also told this scientist about a "grid" that I had put over the Florida area, in my mind, the way the Si's had taught me - a grid composed of four sliding bars of different colors, which the Si's had given to me to understand would create an electromagnetic area over Cape Kennedy. To me, this grid, although I had made it, and used it, had never meant anything other than some symbol of the Si's. I had even made a crayon picture of it, but didn't know what, if anything, it meant. But to the scientist, this was the most exciting thing I had shown him! He said, "Wait a minute! That's the best thing you have told me yet! Did you know that is a regular scientific piece of apparatus?" I said no, I don't know. He said, "Why, they have those in scientific laboratories, those grids." As I remember it and understand it, he explained that only my "frequency" could get through the grid - or perhaps it was only the Si's frequency that could get through the grid to Cape Kennedy. Anyway, that was the general idea.
Q. Are these things down there protecting Cape Kennedy?
A. Not protecting it - attacking it!
Q. You said you have made crayon drawings of some of the Si things. Could I see them?
A. Certainly. Here they are. This one shows four great Si craft, positioned around our globe. For want of a better name I call them the "Emmy-Emma" group (a nickname for them given by my son, Rick). It is these four craft I signal when I wish to give a demonstration of earthquakes all over the world, as I have done twice, for government agencies and scientists. These craft are so big, we couldn't even imagine their size. Each one could be bigger than our earth itself.
Q. Why can't we seem them, then?
A. They are in another dimension. Now, I have proved the reality of them, because several times I have signaled them (first writing to the scientists and government agencies what I was going to do) and after I signaled them, they issued an electromagnetic effect which affected the rate of the earth's spin or movement a trifle, causing earthquakes, floods and dramatically unusual weather. First I wrote and told what I was going to do - and then it actually happened. In the days and weeks following my signal to these four craft, there were tremendous floods, earthquakes, tornados and hurricanes all over the world! I have put all the clippings from newspapers of all these happenings with the letter I sent to the scientists and government agencies, as proof. I have done this twice, and each time it has worked. It has not failed yet.
Q. I believe you said that about 200 of these experiments you have conducted have come true; isn't that right?
A. Yes, I have just successfully finished my 181st documented experiment with Si's.
Q. What is this crayon drawing?
A. This is how the Si's affect people when they are over an area. They fly over an area in their craft, and Twitter and Tweeter (my nickname for these humanoid forms with grasshopper heads, remember) act out their thoughts on a machine... and broadcast these thoughts to the people below... maybe through the TV sets in the peoples' homes below, I'm not sure... however, in this way they can and do affect the minds of masses of people.
Q. And what is this crayon picture?
A. This is the "master control" I was telling you about - the higher Si Intelligence which Twitter and Tweeter contact on the wall of their craft. Control appears on a TV-like screen, a blurred outline of a human face, full-on, and all you can really make out clearly are the eyes. The Si's told me that I am able to see a face for Control because I am used to talking to human faces - so that is what they gave me to look at, for Control, when I am talking to him. Suffice it to say, Control does not have a human face, or head.
Q. You mean they did that just so you wouldn't be talking to the wall, or to empty space, when you addressed Control?
A. That's right.
Q. And the Si's call it "Control"?
A. Yes. Now here is another picture. It shows what Twitter and Tweeter look like
(Note: This interview and taping took place in 1967. In 1968 both Saucer News and a national magazine printed a picture reputedly photographed by a Russian, in Russia, of a creature that had been thrown from a flying saucer when it crashed or burned. This creature in Russia had a humanoid body, with a head identical to that I had drawn of Twitter and Tweeter in 1965 in crayon... triangular-shaped head, huge eyes on the side of the head, and a nose coming to a point - and possibly mouth combined. And in my crude crayon drawing, Twitter and Tweeter also had humanoid bodies.)
Now this machine is what they look down into, when they see me and talk to me. They call their machine "Men-Tel", for "mental television". When I converse with them, I am looking downward, from the right of them, at their side, and see them looking downward into the Men-Tel where my face appears in the machine.
Q. That is what was done here in the apartment?
A. No, no. That is what they have taught me to contact, whenever I wish to communicate with them.
Q. How long does it take for you to make contact with them... to communicate with them?
A. In a fraction of a second - instantly. As quickly as it would take you to put a picture-slide into a projector, to project it onto a viewing screen. Whenever I want to be with the Si's to communicate, like a snap of my fingers, I am there. Then if I want to go higher up, for something very special or important, I ask them to call Control. I say "This is very important... may I see Control?" Then the shadowy face appears on the empty frame on the wall, and I talk to it. It has life; it moves; the eyes are alive.
Q. These symbols ...are they what you use to communicate with?
A. No. And let me tell you about that, because it's a very weird thing, how it all happened. I first made that crayon drawing because the Si's told me that when I come on the Men-Tel and speak English, it is then translated into these strange looking symbols, which are then further translated into sound - a sort of high frequency squeaking-whistling sound which they can understand. Well, long after I drew these crayon drawings, I ran across this picture of symbols in a copy of Fate Magazine. As you can see, they are the very same symbols I had drawn long before, which, a Florida farmer had found after a spacecraft had been near him. Immediately, when I saw the symbols on the page of Fate magazine I ran and got my records and dug out my crayon drawings - and the symbols of my drawing, and the symbols on that paper in Fate... were identical! See, compare them!
Q. And you made this crayon drawing a long time before you found this picture in Fate magazine?
A. Yes, a long time before. Over a year before.
Q. How fascinating. What is this crayon picture of?
A. This is a picture of the monitor they use on me whenever I go. It is like a beam of light which extends from me through metal or rock or any material, high up into the sky, high up into the atmosphere, wherever I happen to be: in a deep cave underground or on top of a skyscraper.
Q. And they know what you are thinking, by this monitor device?
A. That's right. No matter where I am, they know what is happening to me: where I am, what I am thinking, what I am feeling, what my eyes see, and so on.
Q. What is this crayon drawing of a human head?
A. This picture shows how they have actually changed my brain. They communicated with me one day, and told me to make a colored picture of this. Somehow, in time gone by, they have changed the right lobe of my brain, so that I could get to this point with them - because the ordinary human brain will not pick up or send back intelligence to the Si's. Also the ordinary human brain will break down under Si communication. That is why I am so rare, according to them. Through the ages, since the time of Moses (they were able to do with Moses what they have done with me), they have attempted to build up other humans they would communicate with and work with; but the humans always had a heart attack or brain hemorrhage or broke down completely in some way.
Q. Why didn't they stop, when they saw that the person they were trying to work with was going to have a heart attack or stroke, or whatever?
A. I don't believe they could do anything about it. In other words, when the Si's would exert their force of intelligence to the potential human receiver they had selected, the receiver would break down. Just as we might put too much electricity in some mechanical device, which would be destroyed by the overload, or break down.
Q. If they can affect the minds of masses of people, how come those human minds don't break down, or die?
A. Because there is a great difference. When they send intelligence to the humans en masse... the intelligence goes through those human minds like an x-ray. But when they wish a human to catch their intelligence, and communicate back, then the human must retain his power, be able to catch their power, instead of letting it go on through their brain - and it is the retention of Si power which is too much for the human brain.
Q. Then once they start sending intelligence to the receiver, human, it acts just like a chain-reaction that destroys the human brain?
A. I never thought of it that way, but I suppose that pretty well sums it up.
Q. How come you didn't die, then?
A. With me, it "took". It's difficult for me to explain it, but I'll try. Through the years past, I should have been killed about 15 times. When I was five, a car knocked me into the air and threw me thirty feet. I was out like a light for seven hours, then woke up and went about my business as if it had never happened.
When I was three years old I picked up and ate enough strychnine, hidden in coconut candy and put in our front yard, to kill three grown men. But my mother saw the candy in my mouth, ran me next door to a doctor, who pumped out my stomach and identified the poison. I rolled down the bank into a river, when my mother took me to a picnic when I was about a year old, and floated away downstream. It was very peaceful, and I can still remember looking up and seeing the sunlight on the top of the water over my head. Luckily, Bus Doub, a boy at the picnic, saw me, dove in, and pulled me out. I had held my breath all that time and didn't inhale any water at all. This sort of thing went on all through my life. Now, the Si's can get into your mind - when you're asleep, or unconscious through an injury. And this they did. They knew I was "different" from the ordinary human, since I became a hypnotist when I was 13, an expert on voodoo and juju when I was 10, and so forth. I mastered more than 20 professions through the years - not as a jack-of-all-trades, but I mastered these professions. So the Si's knew they had a flexible mind to work with, that could master any profession it sought out. They knew I had a strong mind, for some of that professional work involved judo training and bodyguard work that required my mettle to be tested rather severely. And I mastered auto-hypnosis and used it extensively. So they knew that this, an integral function of working with the Si's, fitted into the Owens jig-saw puzzle. Then I developed tremendous ESP powers, worked with Dr. Rhine at the Duke Parapsychology Lab; and thus further enhanced my possibilities with the Si's. Finally, by putting some adventurous ideas into my head, they "talked" me into taking long trips through isolated areas. It was then that they reached me physically (I lost all track of time on those trips. I would think it was Wednesday, and it would turn out to be Thursday or Friday), and some real miracles happened on those trips. But it was then that the Si's were able to come down and do something, using their own techniques and powers, to my brain, in order to better enable me to communicate with them, and survive their communicating power. They have been able to keep me alive, and survive all I've been through... which ordinarily I could not possibly have survived.
Q. And that picture is your PK system?
Q. With that, you can move objects with your mind?
A. Yes, I have moved objects with my mind. While at Duke University years ago, Dr. Rhine requested I give a private demonstration of my ESP powers for himself, his wife, Louisa, and several other scientists. Dr. Rhine set up the experiment in his living room. My "assignment" was to sit ten feet away from a table, on which he had propped up securely a pair of heavy scissors, and knock the scissors down with my mind power. For an hour I labored mentally, to knock the scissors down. Then just as I was about to give up and say to heck with it, the scissors flew off the table with a loud "whack" noise, and landed some four or five feet away. They had not fallen down - they had been knocked clear off the table. The scientists were stunned. And actually, so was I. It's impossible to ever get used to defying what to us are the laws of nature. Another time, while with my family in Los Angeles, I was changing a tire on my car, which was parked on a steep downhill angle, in close to the curb. The car slipped off the jack onto my hand, crushing my hand into the sharp angle of the corner of the curb and the car. Since many of my professions depend on two good hands - judo, painting, photography, drumming, typing, and so on - instantly I could not stand the thought of that hand being crushed. It seemed as if time stood still, and I "willed" that my hand be released. (I didn't stop to figure this out, or reason. There was no time for it; it just happened.) Believe it or not, the car rose into the air by itself. I jerked my hand away, and the car fell back down with a crash! Although my hand was aching and had a deep crease on the back of it, all I could do was stand there in a fog, realizing I had just witnessed a miracle. Then I examined my hand. Nothing broken, nothing hurt at all. It should have been mangled, ground to a pulp, smashed. This was repeated at a later date, in a different way. An airplane mechanic was repairing my car on his day off, in the front yard of his home in Biloxi, Mississippi. He had the hood up, and was inspecting the back of the car radiator. He said, "Ted, I've found the leak in the radiator". I said, "Where?" and without looking just stuck my arm around the corner of the car... straight into the fan of the car (the motor was running). The mechanic stared at me in horror, and his face turned white. As soon as my hand and wrist went into the spinning fan, I realized my error. There was a loud whacking sound, and I took my hand out. The mechanic cried, "My god! Isn't it hurt?" I shook my head. There wasn't a mark on my hand or wrist. The mechanic said, "That's impossible!" And it was. But in this case it happened before I thought, unlike the other two cases.
Q. Here is another picture. Will you explain it?
A. Yes, this is a picture of how the Si's influence the minds of masses of people through TV sets. They can broadcast from their space ship, and it comes through your TV set into your mind, on a subliminal level, while you are watching "Gunsmoke", for instance. Incidentally, the Si's have told me that they gave us humans the idea of TV, just for this purpose, so that they could broadcast thoughts and ideas to humans through the TV sets.
Q. How about radio?
A. I don't know about radio.
Q. And this picture?
A. This is a picture of the PK area which extends from Jacksonville, Florida, down to Miami, Florida, that I talked about before - the area known as "Electro". This area is growing in PK power all the time.
Q. Is this a physical thing?
A. No, it's in another dimension, affecting that particular area, and it is growing right there and having a constant effect right there. To get the idea, think of a photo negative being held over a picture print, with the superimposed negative having an effect on the print, cumulatively, increasing as times goes by. Here, you see, is the "grid" I talked about earlier. This PK area, and the grid, is what killed the 3 astronauts some time ago in that tragedy at Cape Kennedy, because the Si's were angry with the U.S. Government at the time.
Q. It wasn't the oxygen in the capsule?
A. No. Let me tell you something: lightning hit a lightning-proof pad down there at Cape Kennedy, AFTER I wrote a letter to NASA and said it would happen. And when I went to Washington and talked to Mr. Eastwood, of NASA, he said this single occurrence had puzzled them at NASA the most: how lightning could strike an especially prepared pad. It was supposed to be impossible. Since then it has happened several times.
Q. What is this picture, of lightning coming out of your hand?
A. The Si's told me, when I first began this work, to "see" in my mind lightning coming out of my hand, which I pointed at the sky, whenever I wanted to make a storm. Then they would take over and make the storm. They understood the symbol- signal. In effect, the Si's taught me how to use a mental-imagery vocabulary which they could understand, and take action on.
Q. You are like a spark-plug to get an experiment started, after that they take over and bring it about?
A. Exactly. A little spark can set off a tremendous explosion.
Q. Well, this has changed my thinking of UFO's, you know. Changed it completely.
A. It has changed my thinking, too.
Q. Just recently a lot of UFO's were seen down in Florida by some school kids and their teachers. Did you read about that?
A. That was my doing, believe it or not. Not long ago at my office a group of people who know of my work got together and asked me to contact the Si's and have them do something for a demonstration. Ordinarily I don't like that request; they resent it, in fact, because Si's aren't a night club act or a circus. So I started to politely refuse, but the Si's cut in instantly and told me to go ahead. So I told the group I would ask the Si's to make a great big dramatic appearance that would be written up in the newspapers. And they certainly did! This group of people gave me a signed, notarized confirmation of the experiment.
Q. Why do the Si's want to help us, as you say they do?
A. I don't know. I haven't the foggiest notion of why. I have wondered about that myself. But the Si's say they helped Moses, so you could ask yourself, "Why they would help Moses?" Why would they help a man who was tending sheep, and to his business, take off and go clear to Egypt to butt heads with the great Pharaoh and the entire Egyptian army? Why would they do that?
Q. Would Russia and China be willing to let the Si's make a base in their country, in order to spread peace around the world.
A. I don't know whether they would or not. I can't speak for those countries. However, I will say this: in my opinion Russia has a better attitude and open mind on this subject than the U.S., and I believe I would have more opportunity to arrange a meeting between the Si's and the top Russian leaders, than I have here in the U.S. I'll tell you why. They have made great progress in Russia in working with ESP. Suppose you had ESP powers in Russia. They would take you and put you in a special ESP school, or college, which exists for training people with these special abilities. The expense would be Russia's and would cost you nothing. This way they round up all the good ESP people they find, all over Russia. But in the U.S.? They laugh. There are just a few ESP laboratories, to my knowledge, in the U.S., of which, Duke is a fine one. But then, the only persons tested - not trained, tested - are those lucky students with enough money to go to college, and even those are just tested and let go on their jolly way. One boy I know clairvoyantly guessed 25 card symbols out of 25 card symbols - and what happened? He just went ahead with his ordinary college studies and left college, as if nothing had happened. This wouldn't have happened in Russia! They would have placed too high a value on that boy's ability. Just think of all the thousands of potentially good ESP people walking around in the U.S. - grocers, clerks, farmers, etc. Their ability is utterly lost to this country! However, I myself wouldn't want to live in Russia, and have to take orders. I'll take the freedom of the U.S., with all the drawbacks of the U.S., anytime.
Q. What do the other nations of the world think about the Si's? Or don't they know about them?
A. Sure. They know about them. At least that is what I read in the newspapers and magazines.
Q. What do the American people think about the Si's?
A. It was stated recently by some organization that had checked it out that over 5 million Americans have seen UFO's, at one time or another. What the people think about it, I wouldn't know.
Q. Does President Johnson know anything about the Si's?
A. He knows about the UFO's. I don't know if he knows anything about my form of Si's or not. If he has read any of the correspondence I have sent him, then he knows plenty about the Si's.
Q. How long has the U.S. Government believed in UFO's?
A. I guess since Kenneth Arnold first spotted them in Washington. Wasn't that about 1947?
Q. If the U.S. Government doesn't let the Si's help us, how many more years would you say we have to survive?
A. About three years... at the maximum. (Through 1970).
Q. Why have the Si's appeared around all of our major military installations?
A. They don't confide in me on things like that - they simply give me assignments and training, all pointing at certain objectives. Just about everything they communicate to me deals with the assignments I am working on with them. They do give me details of what is going to happen ahead - what they are going to cause to happen - so that I can write in to the scientists and agencies so there will be written proof when it occurs. But they have one great big over-all plan in mind, whatever it may be; and they are trying to complete it.
Q. Then you wouldn't know why the UFO's trailed the Gemini flights and some other flights in outer space?
A. Certainly! I wrote in to the Government and told them that the Si's were going to do that, as proof that they were real and that they can communicate with me.
Q. Why were the Si's over Washington in 1952?
A. All I can tell you is that was when I was in Washington with my family, seeing NASA and CIA about the Si's, the papers were full of UFO's doing this and doing that over the Washington area at that time. The UFO's were as thick as fleas there then.
Q. Has the Government ever asked you to give a demonstration to prove that you are in communication with the Si's?
A. Yes. When I was down in Washington talking to the CIA, they asked me to have the Si's do something right there in the room with us. You know, like make the table float in the air, and so forth. But I explained that that was not what the Si's did - not how they work. The Si's will make a hurricane back up or turn around, but they won't do parlor tricks.
Q. The Si you saw in your bedroom - had it taken on the shape of a man just for your benefit? You said the Si's could make different shapes out of themselves.
A. I don't know. But that's a very good question.
Q. You say the Si's are just pure intelligence. Do they take on any shades of color?
A. They are clear. Invisible. But they do take on different shades of light. That is, the top forms of Si's do.
Q. What are the lower forms like? Do they take on human form?
A. No. Only the top form of Si's, which have no form whatever, just pure energy can do that. And they construct a form with their intelligence and pour themselves into it.
Q. When the Si's make themselves into a form... is it hard for them to hold it?
A. I don't know, but I shouldn't think so. They seem to do it with ease.
Q. Do the Si's (either the higher forms or lower forms) take food? Do they eat like we do?
A. No. From what I have seen of them, and understand of their ways, they don't take nourishment through their mouths into a digestive system. Instead they feed on electricity or some form of power that they absorb.
Q. Do you think that there are other human beings with our shape and form in the Universe, on other planets?
A. Yes. I am sure there are.
Q. Well, many people have seen these human-like creatures getting out of flying saucers, all over the world...
A. I still say that the higher forms of Si's are taking that shape. Either that, or they can hypnotize us humans who see them into believing they have human form.
Q. Some people claim to have seen inside flying saucers... and they saw the pilots.
A. After seeing and knowing my Si's it is hard for me to believe that there are Si's with our human form.
Q. Why is it that flying saucers never seem to have accidents?
A. Well, mine never have. My Si's, from another dimension, never have accidents. It is impossible.
Q. Why don't they?
A. For the same reason they can't be destroyed. For the same reason nobody has been able to shoot them down, and it's been tried. They have other-dimensional properties. In other words, there are other powers that these Si's have which we do not even know about - laws of Nature, their Nature, you might say, on their side of their dimension which they can bring with them into our dimension.
Q. Why do flying saucers affect cars and electrical instruments when they come close?
A. I'm glad you asked that, because the Si's just recently explained it to me, since I'd been wondering about it myself. It has been commonly assumed that it is an accidental occurrence, due to some form of nuclear power which powers the craft. But here is what the Si's have told me. When they come into an area they want to investigate, they throw out a "net", just like a fisherman throws his net overboard from his boat to trap fish. They extend an electromagnetic net all around them that will trap and stop all power in that area in order to keep anybody from being able to communicate with humans outside the Si "net" - to radio for help, or radio for airplane interference, etc.
Q. Since we can't do anything to them or their craft, and as you have said, they can't be destroyed, why do they use this net?
A. They don't know everything. These Si's I know are quite different from the ones I have read about, and they have their own way of doing things. They are much wiser than we are. They must know what they are doing. Let's put it like this: why don't they want us to shoot at them. Or look at it this way: why don't the Forest Rangers who take care of our National forests, shoot bears and animals, instead of tranquilizing them and tagging them? The Si's could actually destroy all humans in their area if they wanted, instead of throwing out a tranquilizing, power-stopping electromagnetic "net".
Q. Well, when we shoot at their craft, doesn't it annoy them?
A. Right! They don't want to hurt us. That's why they use their EM net, so people won't call for help and raise a rumpus and force the Si's to leave the area, where they have planned something, or force the Si's to take action against the attacking humans. This is something the Si's don't want. However, whenever humans go at the Si's with hostile intent, they have a way of turning the thought of the hostile humans right back onto them - just like you would bounce a ball against the wall and it would bounce back again; or just like you would shine a light in the mirror, and the reflection would come right back at you. This is a power that Si's have and that we don't have. So if a flying saucer came down in an area, and somebody saw it, and called for help - and planes came to chase it and shoot at it - somebody would get hurt, and it wouldn't be the Si's. And the Si's don't want that. They are peaceful in intent, and are trying to keep things that way. After all, the reason they are here is to help us, if we will let them.
Q. These people who make predictions: do the Si's put a lot of this in their heads?
A. Yes, I am sure that they do, although the humans making the predictions do not know it, of course, I am certain that the great prophets of biblical times got their prophecy material from the Si's, since I know, personally, that the Si's teach and pass on information while a human is asleep and dreaming. And as you know, many prophets of the Bible got their information through pictures in their dreams.
Q. You say the Si's teach humans in their sleep? How is that?
A. They switch themselves from their dimension into this dimension right into your room. You can't see them, ordinarily, but we have seen them in our apartment, unexpectedly. Our doors and windows were closed and locked, with no way for them to get in. I can tell you, absolutely and positively, that they have talked to me and trained me in my sleep, night after night after night. I could tell you about that, but it would be too lengthy and complicated to go into here. One interesting thing, though: I woke up one night, about 4 in the morning, and a voice was speaking from deep down inside my throat. My mouth was closed tight, my eyes were open, and this voice was speaking from inside my throat - not using my speech muscles at all!
Q. Do you believe that we are going to have germ warfare with China, like Jean Dixon has predicted?
A. Jean Dixon? Why, I have predicted that myself! To my contacts. Sure, don't look for a nuclear war, first. Look for germ and bacteriological attacks! I didn't know Dixon predicted that too. How interesting. Well, I think Russia and China will attack us, both at the same time. Then if that method doesn't destroy us, they will use the nuclear method.
Q. Can prayers help us in our situation?
A. Prayers can help you in any situation. But don't forget, the millions of Jews who were butchered by the Nazis in the last war, probably prayed too, but it didn't stop them from getting butchered. But the Si's, who are closer to God and spiritual power than we are, have tremendous powers that can save us, if we let them. Remember that the Si's are intelligences, not human creatures that can be destroyed, but intelligences which cannot be destroyed. But you bet, prayer will help anyone. I could tell you a couple of times in my life when nothing human could help me, I prayed, and miracles happened!
Q. How many planets are there in the solar system?
A. What? Planets? I wouldn't know about that. I've never discussed anything like that with the Si's.
Q. I have read that some scientists believe other worlds have come close to our earth, but we can't see those worlds, They are invisible to us, sort of like your "other dimension".
A. I haven't seen those articles, but it certainly would fit into what I've found out. Yes.
Q. Do the Si's have anything to do with the comets coming close to earth?
A. I don't know that. But I can tell you that a lot of so-called "comets" seen from earth, are not comets. They are Si craft. Not long ago the Si's communicated with me, and told me they were going to come over Philadelphia in their craft, as a sign to me and to our government that they are real, and are in communication with me. I notified the scientists and government agencies of this, and went out and bought a camera, to take a picture of it when it came over. Just six days later the now famous "East Coast Fireball" came over Philadelphia, written up in Life Magazine, but called by some astronomers a "comet". But the Si's had told me to expect them to come over Philadelphia, and they did so. It was certainly "comet". I had called it six days in advance, as a Si craft.
Q. Then many of the so-called "comets" are really great big Si craft, or flying saucers, with Si's in them?
A. Yes, that's right.
Q. How do they manufacture their craft? In factories? Those you say are as large as our earth - how do they make flying saucers that big?
A. They don't make or manufacture material things like we do. They don't use machine tools, or factories, that is, from what I know of them. It's done by their mental power, or intelligence.
Q. If they can move objects with their minds, or intelligence then I suppose they can form these craft by use of their strange intelligence powers?
A. Yes. I am sure that they don't put them together with nuts and bolts.
Q. Why are plants being collected by space creatures? Sometimes human beings see this being done, you know. They see these hairy things, you know, that aren't human and don't seem to be animal, either.
A. Yes, these are the Si's pets, which collect samples from earth for the Si's. Just like we use chimpanzees or porpoises, dogs and cats and horses, etc., to do work for us. But for what purpose they want these samples, I don't really know.
Q. Do they put them back on earth after they get through studying the samples?
A. I don't think so. However, I have read of cases where there would be an exception to this. One not long ago... where a man was out fishing in rowboat and vanished completely... then turned up, clear across the United States in another location, about 5 or 6 years later... with a different mind, and a new wife and family! He couldn't remember his life at all, past the fishing and rowboat. There have been too many similar cases of this sort for it to be an accidental happening. I am sure the Si's "collected" the man, studied him, created a state of amnesia in his mind to protect their interests, and put him back on earth to pick up the threads of a new life, perhaps under a "controlled observation" by them.
Q. Do you think they might have done that so people wouldn't bother him? Like people would, if he told of being kidnapped by flying saucer people?
A. That's an ingenious possibility, but since this case has been repeated, I prefer my own theory about it.
Q. What is their time-span like? Is their time the same as our time?
A. No. Not at all. That is the one big difficulty the Si's have. Their sense of time in this dimension is completely different from ours. They have a great difficulty in figuring out our time as such.
Q. Are your Si's connected with the New Jersey "Devil"?
A. I hadn't heard of that report. Of course, my Si's are different than all the reports of OI's. For instance, they don't have to use knobs and gears and things of that sort in their craft. They think their craft - fly their craft by thought-control. My Si's are much more advanced than other forms of OI's. A different species altogether. Z., the scientist, said that in all his years of experience in studying UFO's, he had never encountered the kind of Si that I was communicating with. And he affirmed, absolutely, that I was communicating with them.
Q. The people you have brought back to life, by signaling the Si's to have them supply their form of other-dimensional power to the injured or dying person - what do their friends and family think of it?
A. Take Mrs. Don Whitehead, of Fort Worth, Texas for instance. All her friends, including her husband and family, thought it was wonderful, or so they told me. The girl in Washington that I saved, through the Si's who was so hopelessly gone before I entered the picture, is alive now and getting along well in West Virginia. As a matter of fact, I had a letter from her mother, not long ago, thanking me again for what I did for her daughter. I just went to her hospital room and used my "secret system" to signal the Si's who streamed their power into her, in her bed. And that healing power grew on her, and saved her. I had to get the permission of her family, the permission of the hospital, the permission of the doctors on the case, and the permission of the police, before I could go into her hospital room to help her. She was dying when I walked into her room. A machine was doing her breathing for her. It took me only 5 minutes to save her life. My daughter, Lornie, went with me, and stood beside me at the time. Although Lornie didn't know what my "secret system" was, I used her to increase my power as a sending-receiving set to the Si's by holding her hand and forming a link with her brain. The girl's name was Brenda Sue P., and although she has not completely recovered to this day, she is alive and consistently progressing, her mother said in her letter to us. And there have been other people I have saved, who were given up as hopeless before I entered the picture. I was allowed to use my "secret system" of the Si's because, as they or their families said, "why not?". Nothing could hurt these dying or hopeless people anyway.
Q. And you brought this Brenda Sue P. back to life?
A. Yes. When I saw her in her hospital room she had tubes running into her head. She was one of the most badly-hurt humans I have ever seen.
Q. These people that you have brought back to life, you say that they are part Si now?
A. Yes, I am sure they are.
Q. Can they switch over to another dimension now that they are part Si?
A. That's a good question. I hadn't thought of that. But I doubt it.
Q. Since they are part Si, like you are... couldn't they communicate with the Si's now, like you do?
A. That's possible. It does give the Si's a foothold, I think, with these people; but of course, whether they could take the Si power and survive, during communication, I don't know.
Q. They would have ESP power now, you mean?
A. Now they will have highly-developed ESP ability, yes. And as they get well, their family and friends will find out they are different people than they were, with different personalities. I am sure of it.
Q. Did God make their dimension, before he made ours?
A. When you say "God", what do you mean?
Q. I guess "God" is a kind of force.
A. That's right. A combination of intelligence and force. And only God knows what God had done, I am sure.
Q. Would "heaven" be in our dimension, or in the Si dimension?
A. "Heaven?" There you go again? "Heaven" is a man-made word, and we don't know what it is. We accept it on faith, from the Bible. My guess would be that when Jesus talked about Heaven, he meant that we are going into a better life. For example, a long time ago, in another life, you might have been a sick cat that was picked up by the police and shot in the head, to put you out of your misery. I just saw that happen tonight, on my way home; and when I saw that poor cat being eliminated, I thought, "There, but for the grace of God, go I." So Heaven could be a better life for your soul to enter into, when your present body or shell dies. It's possible that if you died tonight, and you had built up a good soul and spirit inside yourself, you might be assigned by the powers-that-be to a different, better world in another dimension, or another planet, where similar improved intelligences have gathered - and this sort of thing keeps progressing into Infinity. Perhaps Jesus knew this, and tried to teach the thought to humans whose minds were too finite to grasp the scope of infinity.
Q. And it might be Heaven, compared to this life in this world?
A. That's right!
Q. But it wouldn't exactly be real Heaven.
A. No. Not at all the way we humans think of Heaven, such as floating in the clouds with Angels, drinking an unlimited supply of beer and playing on harps. Ha!
Q. You have said you think the Si's are what we call "ghosts", such as in the so-called haunted castles in Europe?
A. Yes, I am absolutely positive of it. We have heard ghostly groaning and sighing up in our own apartment. And if you had heard it you would know what I am talking about. It isn't, and couldn't be any human agency. I have read about the ghostly sounds in castles that were haunted, and houses that were haunted, as being low, groaning noises. That's the Si noise. And putting two and two together, since the Si's have been trying to get me over to Europe into one of those isolated castles and stay for a year. I am positive those isolated spooky castles are haunted. They are haunted by UFO's and Si's. They use those isolated castles for bases.
Q. Then why are people sometimes attacked by ghosts? Could it be the evil OI's?
A. It could be my Si's, or it could be the evil OI's taking human form at the time, probably to drive people away, from their base there at the castle. In other words, you go to one of those old, isolated castles, and the Si's want to get you away from their base there. So it takes ghostly form, like a human, and lets your eyes see it.
Q. Do the Si's have anything to do with the cases where people are sometimes burned to death, and where their clothes aren't even scorched?
A. I don't know.
Q. In a book I read, the author says flesh and blood have been seen falling from the sky. Do the Si's have anything to do with this?
A. I don't think the flesh and blood fell from the sky. I think the flesh and blood fell out of the other dimension. In all cases where I have read of a shower of fish or rocks falling from the sky, I believe it is caused by the Si's opening a crack in their dimension to let their craft in or out, and that when they do, it somehow causes this phenomena. It might be that the fish or rocks or flesh and blood might be taken into the other dimension as the Si's go into it, right along or out of the ocean in their craft. They see people on the bank of the lake or the ocean, so they switch off, into another dimension. But as they have come up out of the water their power might draw fish up with them, or rocks, or even people. Then the craft goes into another dimension along with these items. When they switch on again into this dimension, in a different area than before, perhaps clear across the world, then these same fish or rocks or people, or parts of people, come back out with them and shower down.
Q. I read in the papers where two helicopters crashed down in Florida, in the area where you said the Si's had PK'd.
A. Yes. Several years ago the Si's gave a demonstration of their power, asking me to write to the Government in advance, to tell what was going to happen. At that time the Government was holding military exercises in North Carolina and South Carolina, and the Si's said that they would give a demonstration of their power, against these military exercises. Well, you never saw anything like it in your life. Helicopters crashed; planes crashed; all sorts of freak accidents happened; and the area was struck by two hurricanes while the military exercises were in progress, causing tremendous floods in North and South Carolina. It's peculiar, but once an area is PK'd, the power just continues to grow. It does not diminish or pass away. For instance, the Si's gave another demonstration against combined U.S. and Spanish military exercises off the coast of Spain, documented in advance by letters to Government agencies, etc. That is, the Si's had me warn the Government before they struck. And the same things happened: those military exercises had all kinds of freak accidents, such as plane and helicopter crashes, etc. But my point is, the "PK" kept on growing after the military exercises were over, in that area. And later on, in the same area, two of our nuclear planes crashed into each other and we, that is, the U.S., lost some nuclear bombs on the land and in the ocean. It caused an awful flap, if you remember.
Q. Can you remove this PK when you want to?
A. I don't know.
Q. I guess it would take the Si's to remove the PK.
A. I'm sure they could. I have never tried removing it.
Q. Well, it seems to me you sort of act like a spark that starts it. And since you're only the spark that starts it, you couldn't stop it if you wanted to, once it got out of your hands?
A. That's a good question. I might be able to. Being the only human working with my Si's, they place a high value on my wishes. And if our President would cooperate with the Si's, to arrange for them to have a base in the U.S., I am sure the Si's would erase the "PK" that now exists, and grows, in certain areas. Then, if there was any double-crossing by the government, the Si's would replace the PK, many times magnified in power.
Q. You mean, even worse?
A. Ten-fold worse.
Q. How does the PK grow? Do the Si's make it grow stronger? Or is it natural for this strange power to grow by itself?
A. It's just natural. It doesn't need any help, once it begins. This same "PK" was used in ancient ages by the Egyptians, in their burial tombs, and as time went on, the curse, or PK effect they used on the tomb, grew more powerful and virulent, instead of weaker. When Europeans opened the tombs a long time later, the PK, which had been planted there long ago attacked them, silently and invisibly. They couldn't see it, feel it, touch it, smell it, or sense it in any way. Nevertheless, it just attached itself to them, and followed along with them wherever they went, and waited, until the time and circumstances were just right for an accident or an illness. Then, like lightning, the PK made it come to pass, and the persons suffered violent accidents, or illnesses, which killed them or ruined them for life. Thus the explorer was punished, just as the inscription on the door of the tomb that had been violated had warned would happen. I am positive that the Si's made friends with the Egyptians, and taught them how to use PK forms. There are many different kinds and forms of PK, you know.
At least, they taught the Egyptians as much as they felt was safe for the Egyptians to have, at that time. PK grows, you see, just as you would take a package of seeds and plant them, out in a field. Then after a bit, sprouts come up, then shoots and stalks; and after a time there is a whole big field full of tall, powerful PK, just as a corn field grows. But PK is invisible, with the power in it growing, all the time, the power being intelligently directed by the intelligence that started that PK field in the first place. In the case of the Egyptians using PK in their tombs to guard their dead, I believe it was "Tutunkaman" (or something like that) who had a seal put on the door of his crypt, warning people not to enter - that a "curse" would follow anyone who did to their doom. Well, about a dozen or so scientists did break open the door of the crypt, and in the time following, all of them died mysterious violent deaths, wherever they were in the world. Like if the Si's put PK on a person, then that person would be a walking PK plant, intelligently directed, a deadly accident just waiting for the right time to happen.
Q. This PK - doesn't it affect radio waves?
A. It affects everything, yes! I could give you a big, long list of more that 100 different effects that go with the PK. And these over - 100 different effects, or ways, effect the area it is attacking, or helping.
Q. Will the PK you put on my friend, Ida, affect her?
A. That's "rainbow PK", my name for it, for want of a better expression. It gives her an "angel", a sort of an invisible guardian. It's hard to explain it in English, except to tell you that it helps her. It helps her grow and keep her health. Oh, she might get sick or have an accident, but without that PK she might die or get killed. It guards her, and helps her. It's a tremendous force, working inside her and around her and for her.
Q. This PK she has, is it growing on her?
A. Yes. All the time. It's terrific. I have put that same rainbow PK on my entire family, to guard them and keep them well and happy.
Q. Well, now, let's ask about hurricanes. They all seem to start from one section. Is PK starting them?
A. Yes. The Si's start the hurricanes.
Q. How about this year (1967)? Will the Si's start any hurricanes this year (1967)?
A. I make the hurricanes by signaling the Si's. I have already planted the hurricane seeds for this coming season of 1967. I have asked the Si's to produce 3 simultaneous hurricanes this year, which is so rare it's only happened a few times in history, you know. But my best year was several years ago, when I ran three hurricanes across the center of the Si target! Cape Kennedy. The year after that, only one hurricane came up, and it was a dandy - Hurricane Betsy. Betsy did everything I asked her to. She even backed up for me (and remember, I was constantly telling government agencies and scientists in advance what the cane would do next).
Regarding Betsy's backing up, I had tried to get hurricanes to back up the previous year, without succeeding. Betsy was the first. Then, after she backed up like I told her to, I directed her over to the Michoud Space Complex in Louisiana, a secondary target of the Si's. In other words, Hurricane Betsy did everything for me but roll over and play dead. Well, last year I gave a terrific demonstration for Government agencies and scientists, with Hurricane Inez. She did everything I told her to, just like Betsy did. And most of the things I told her to do were in absolute contradiction to what the Hurricane Center at Miami said she'd do. This year, 1967, I am working to get three simultaneous hurricanes which will function just like a football backfield...
Editor's note: In 1967, three simultaneous hurricanes appeared in fact. The occurrence of three simultaneous hurricanes is so rare it has only happened five times in history.
Q. You mean all three at once?
A. Yes, all converging on Cape Kennedy, from different directions.
Q. Will all of them join into one?
A. No, I don't think so, because each hurricane is in a force field, and force fields tend to repel each other.
Q. How do you put these hurricane seeds out? Do you just think them in your mind?
A. I picture the hurricane symbols for the Si's, after contacting the Si's, and they take it from there. They can do it. Once the hurricane appears, I make a crude map showing the Si's where I want the cane to go, and most of the time the cane has followed my map accurately.
Q. I guess if You wanted three hurricanes, the Si's could do it.
A. Oh, yes, They could give me a dozen. But the thing of it is, I don't know whether the Si's would want to or not. It would be an awful hardship on the people, although it would be a good demonstration for the government.
Q. Not as much a hardship as the attack on the U.S. you say will take place within two years by Russia and China.
A. That's right. It would be quite an inconvenience to have a nuclear bomb land in Philadelphia. Ha Ha!
Q. You say that there are three UFO's, each as large as the Earth?
A. Not three but four!
Q. And they are around the earth all the time?
A. I think they either come into position, or they come from another dimension, when they are signaled. I do not know if they stay there around the earth all the time. But when I use the "Emmy-Emma" signal they know what it is, and the four craft come up into position and exert an electromagnetic influence on the earth's spin, causing earthquakes, floods, volcanic eruptions, etc.
Q. Do the Si's control hurricanes?
A. Not long ago I signaled the Si's for an early hurricane, and instead of that, they gave me, within a week or so, 30 tornados stretching out in a line across the Midwest, all at once. They mistook the hurricane symbol I sent them for a tornado attack demonstration. The symbols for the canes and tornados are almost the same.
Q. You don't think it's the Oi's, or evil Si's, then, making the tornados?
A. No. These are my Si's, starting and controlling the tornados. As I explained, when I signaled the Si's for an early hurricane, they took it that I wanted a demonstration of storms, because the symbol I use for them for them for a cane is much like the symbol I use with them for storms. They misunderstood and gave me tornados instead of canes.
Q. You say the Si's might destroy the U.S.? Could you enlarge on that?
A. No, you're wrong, I didn't say that. The Si's will allow Russia and China to destroy us, if we don't cooperate with the Si's. Think of the world as a large field on a farm. If one section of the field won't grow crops, or be productive, then the farmer will just quit planting on it and let it go to rot. And that's what will happen to the U.S. if we don't pay attention to the Si's.
Q. You say the Asians and black will become the big powers in the world, eventually?
A. Yes, that's right. The Asian race will become the main chief power of the world, after the U.S. is destroyed, and the black people will become the second largest power. The Asians will come pouring over the Alaskan straits, incidentally, into this country, to occupy it, after we have been destroyed. And when that happens, the whites will practically be non-existent. If there are any whites left, the Asians and blacks will pursue them and eliminate them, as if they were the plague, because the Asians and blacks have had enough of the whites in this world.
Q. Do you think they will put the whites in colonies by themselves?
A. No. I do not think they will allow the whites to exist, and risk the whites becoming numerous and strong again. I think the whites will be attacked and eliminated in the same way that we attack and eliminate cancer in the body, when we find it.
Q. After the U.S. is destroyed, the Si's will still come down and try to help the world, won't they?
A. No, I don't think so. After the nuclear war that destroys the U.S. the Si's will be so far behind in their plans, it will be pitiful. That's why they put such a high value on me, because I can communicate with the Si's and other humans - the first human to be able to do so since Moses' time. Now, the OI's want this to happen, want us to be destroyed, want the Si's held back, unable to reach an alliance with the human race.
Q. In the end, I guess it just boils down to Si's vs. Oi's, and they are sort of using the earth as a battle field.
A. I think it's more like a game of chess between the several kinds of Si's, and we are the chess pieces. They are too far advanced to shoot at each other or hurt each other, as we do. They think in such dimensions and at such depths, that it would be beyond our tiny, limited minds to even imagine it. But if you compare my Si's to the Oi's, there simply is no comparison. My Si's are vastly superior.
Q. Then the Si's thinking is not limited in scope?
A. No. It is unlimited. Both the Si's and the Oi's know how to contact unlimited intelligence, intelligence from all the ages past, everywhere.
Q. Do you think that they can travel into the past, into the future?
A. Absolutely. They have shown me how to get intelligence from the past ages, myself. They showed me how to "tap" intelligence from the wisdom of the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Incas, and the ancient Egyptians. I have incorporated this knowledge into a book, which I have used in helping people - methods not known or used in this world at all, anywhere else. I call these methods "OD" methods, for "other dimensional". By using these methods I have saved people given up as hopeless by doctors. However, I warn all that I work with, to work closely with their doctors, dentists, etc. that PK and OD methods certainly do not replace our human medicine and surgery and doctors. I explain carefully that UFO intelligences cannot pull teeth, or remove an infected appendix, etc. OD methods are to be used with the doctor's permission only after all regular medicine and surgery have failed. The disk work (see Fate Magazine, December, 1967; Saucer News, Winter Issue, published 1968) is something else, and the above is explained carefully to the "disc people" who receive the charged discs. Incidentally, any human being who needs help of any kind whatsoever, can get this help by sending for a disc charged with power from the UFO's - to Ted Owens, President, The Sotas, Box 17005, Philadelphia, Pa., 19105. There is no charge whatsoever. This is not a commercial enterprise, but an expression of compassion by the Si's for humans, to show their love and affection for humans.
Q. It seems like this PK work and OD work, and the discs, is like the work Jesus did. Could that have been how he brought people back to life?
A. Certainly. I am positive that he knew these OD methods. Either he was a Si, or he had been trained by the Si's. No doubt about it in my mind.
Q. He healed some persons by letting them touch his robe.
A. Yes, but that was like a trick, misdirection. He healed them all right, but he knew that if he tried to explain that he was using an OD method, coming from another dimension, they wouldn't understand him. How much simpler to tell them to touch his robe. He would way, "Now I'm going to rub some spit on your eyelid, and your eye will get well". But while he was rubbing spit on the person's eyelid, he was bringing into play the OD effects which would heal that person. In Texas, some years ago, when I was helping people there, I would tell them to watch a light, and listen to my voice. While they were doing that, I was secretly using OD techniques which the Si's had given me. And believe me, they were helped. But they knew nothing whatsoever about my "secret system", within a system, being used on them. Not that I am comparing my work with that of Jesus, mind you. I would not even begin to compare - I have too many human frailties, faults and weaknesses - but I have discovered all this, seemingly by accident, and do know how to use it. Jesus knew how to use it, and Moses also knew much of this.
Q. How about Jesus' disciples?
A. No. I believe that he tried to train them, but it just didn't work too well. It would be just like me trying to teach you about it, even draw pictures of it, but you still wouldn't be able to grasp it, because these strange symbols aren't like anything to be found in the English language - or anywhere else on earth, for that matter. You take Edgar Cayce, he was a tremendous psychic. He would tell you what was wrong with you, then tell you how to cure it. He did tell others how he did it, even wrote books about it, but when he died, there was no more Edgar Cayce miracle. His son and followers have tried to duplicate Edgar's work, but no human could do so. There was just one Cayce, because only Cayce could "see" what was going on inside his mind. The same is true with me.
Q. Moses had a staff that turned into a snake, didn't he?
A. Yes. I think he told the Si's, "Look, you have got to give me some proof to prove to people that all this is real. People only believe in their physical senses. They don't understand OD effects. My people will tell me I am crazy, so, oh voice in a burning bush, give me something solid to show my people". And the voice in the "burning bush" said, "Very well", and proceeded to show Moses how to use his staff for that purpose. This convinced Moses, first of all, that he wasn't imagining things. And later it helped convince his people.
Q. Moses struck a rock with the staff, and water came out of it.
A. Actually, I don't think it was Moses at all, but the Si's that did it, using the staff action just as Jesus used the "touch robe" technique. Just as with the girl at Lourdes. You know, the Si's have told me they brought about the miracles at Lourdes, and are trying to set up a modern "Lourdes" here in the United States, but can't get any cooperation. (See Winter Issue of Saucer News, 1968.) The Si's knew that the people could believe in a "magic staff", much easier than believing in the Si's.
Q. Can you tell me about some of these things, or miracles as you call them, that the Si's have done - when you have notified government agencies and scientists in advance of these happenings? I believe you said you had 180 cases.
A. Yes. 183 miracles, to be exact, all documented. I'm putting all of that into book form, to follow the first volume. In the first book I will make some references to some of these miracles, and describe them briefly. But in my book, coming out later, and entitled, "I WORKED FOR THE UFO CREATURES", I will go into all these cases in detail. Of course, nothing like this book has ever been written, with the exception of the books of Moses, in the Bible.
At this point, both of us exhausted with the interview, we concluded. From all this material... the reader can now know the true facts about UFO's never before printed or revealed, and can have an excellent idea of how to go about contacting the UFO's themselves. You have obtained this information from the only living human being who can communicate back and forth with UFO intelligences, AND PROVE IT.
P K MAN (Ted Owens)
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